The Ideal Western Woman

I’m taking a break from writing for a bit, but this video was too good to pass up. Notice that she’s a recent MBA grad and fat. Nice.

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  1. Zen

    I am not convinced this is real, but if we assume it is…. yikes. Hey, I love The Lord of the Rings, but I would be very careful bringing that up on a first date.

    But the real lesson is, we don’t get to pick the things that would attract the opposite sex. Now, the Feminists are right that standards are too high, but that cuts both ways. That just means all of us need to step up our game.

    But if anyone with this level of attachment to a relationship replacement like this, isn’t even nearly ready for a relationship.

  2. Zen

    Ok, it looks like it is comedy and not meant seriously.

  3. JG

    This is parody. It would be frightening to encounter a real woman who is that clueless and emotionally unstable.

  4. Will

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  5. C’mon,

    I know people that messed up or worse. Didn’t even cross my mind that it was a fake

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  7. NeverAgain

    I love cats too. They’re delicious.

  8. Michael

    Interesting.

    While she is emotionally screwed up (assuming, of course, this is genuine – which I don’t), you reveal more about yourself in your reaction than she does in her video.

    Fat? Well, no. She appears more rounded than the media prefers … which means that you, my friend, are just as infected with worldly standards as the girls you rail against.

    There are two secrets, here: One, every girl is beautiful to someone (well, it’s close enough for this discussion.) And the longer you are around her, the more likely it is that you will find her attractive. Regardless of her weight, hair, or eye color. (shrugs) It’s true – and since you’re going for an eventual permanent relationship, and since looks will change over time, your first objective is to find the girl with a personality and values that you want in a permanent companion.

    So, where are you gonna find such a woman? (And this is secret number two:) Is she gonna look like a less-slutty version of a Maxim cover girl? Or will you find her among those girls that actually have to become nice in order to have friends?

    For all your posing about alpha-ness, your one word putdown reveals that you are quite the beta; longing for the envy of your peers by flashing arm candy as a status symbol instead of seeking for a relationship with a supportive woman.

    Fortunately, your condition is curable. My own attitude was cured by an effective smackdown by an ex-fiancee. Boy, did I learn from that one! And you? You can change any time you feel inclined. I hope your change comes swiftly and painlessly.

    • HRM

      Thanks for your response. While I take no offense at someone criticizing this girl for her obvious emotional issues, as it is near impossible to carry on a healthy relationship if one isn’t emotionally healthy alone, she most definitely is not “fat”. Would you find her gracing the cover of Maxim or Playboy, no (at least not without judicious air-brushing). But in person she would likely appear normal and actually pretty.

      You’re so right that a one-word put down like “fat” says so much more about the labeler than the labeled. I would hope that given the chance, a man would prefer a relationship with a pretty, intelligent, supportive, fun, girl who is otherwise attractive but might not have a supermodel’s body, than a vapid, self-absorbed model type. I know my husband did.

  9. Twenty

    @Michael

    Well, we can’t see enough of her body to definitively answer the fat/not-fat question. But judging from the forearms and boobies, I’d say: Likely porker.

    To your larger, fat-acceptance point: An appreciation and desire for physical beauty is not a matter of having “worldly standards”, it’s a simply part of being human. You seem to be peddling a social-constructivist model of beauty, which, to keep this short, I’ll simply say that I don’t buy.

    As for this: “My own attitude was cured by an effective smackdown by an ex-fiancee.” — That, my friend, is weaksauce. Maybe you should seek to learn how to handle yourself with women before presuming to give advice to men.

    • Michael

      “… seek to learn how to handle yourself with women before presuming to give advice to men.” I did. I’ve been married quite happily for 17 years. That’s how I know whereof I speak.

      Secret number one is that female looks, honestly, are not that important over time. Just about any man can be attracted to just about any female’s looks, once basic hygiene is up to par. So if personality and values are of prime importance, and competition is difficult (otherwise, why peacocking and other strategies?), why would a guy go looking for a mate by initially screening out a majority of women because of such an unimportant factor?

      Answer: irrationality. What could cause this irrationality?

      Obviously, values that are not in line with the stated ones – such as valuing looks over personality.

      I could go on, but I would have to seek licensure in your state of residence.

      Why, yes, I DO have a degree in psychology. Why do you ask?

  10. Awww, I love Michael! Nice work, LOVE your comment. Clearly, you’re not just well educated, but also smart. ;-)

  11. HRM

    I agree with Michael and Cara. Here’s another thing I don’t get: provided the video isn’t fake (even though it seems like it is), why is the fact that she’s a recent MBA grad considered a negative trait worthy of mocking and on par with supposedly being “fat”? Should she have gone to hair school instead? Would she be more attractive if she was either dumb or hid her intelligence (cat obsession nothwisthanding)? I’m troubled by the notion that women should either be dumb or play dumb. I, for one, was never willing to pretend to be less than I am in order to make a mediocre, insecure guy feel better about himself.

    P.S. I went to law school, which my husband found hot. His personal relationship criteria was such that he was only interested in women who actively pursued as much education as possible. I guess maybe he’s just one of the few strong, confident guys not threatened by a smart woman?

    • NordicThunder

      I’ll answer your questions.

      If she is a MBA grad, it most likely means she is deeply in debt and unemployable. The writer didn’t say being an MBA grad was a negative trait on par with being fat. He only made a list of negative traits. Work on your reading comprehension.

      Going to hair school is a better choice than an MBA. It’s relatively inexpensive and, you gain a marketable skill.

      Accomplishments, or lack thereof, don’t change a woman’s standing on the beauty scales. If your husband says otherwise, he’s a liar.

      The presumption in your last sentence is silly feminist bravado.

      • Em

        You should absolutely pass this “hair school is better than an MBA” advice on to all the men you know. I’m sure they’ll take you seriously!

        • HRM

          I know, right? Men of the world, forget Wharton and Harvard Business School! Cameo College of Essential Beauty offers all the education you’ll ever need!

          • It’s funny that you two are still operating under the assumption that what’s good for a woman is good for a man. Women and men are different. We’re attracted to different things. While you may be attracted to someone who’s accomplished in the business world, very very few men are going to put that on a list of “must haves” in their future spouse. It really is not that important. If you want a better break down on that, explore my blog a bit. Read the post Primary, Secondary and Tertiary Attractors.

            The long and short of it is men and women are different. Credentials may impress us in men or women, they also even earn our respect in both men and women. But the girl above would attract more and higher quality men if she were to work on her physical appearance than if she were to continue to pursue an even higher degree or climb the corporate ladder. Now she simply our competition and most men will be as attracted to her as they are to a man they have to compete with in the workforce – not at all.

            Also – the video is fake. That’s what makes it such a ripe parody. It plays off of the assumptions of what modern, Western women are like. What happens if someone brings up cats in a board meeting with this chick? Hilarious.

            • Hillary

              I agree with you that men and women are fundamentally different and find different things attractive in potential mates. After all, I’m a heterosexual woman so I wouldn’t find breasts attractive on a potential mate. But the previous poster, to whom I was replying, simply said “Going to hair school is a better choice than an MBA. It’s relatively inexpensive and, you gain a marketable skill.” The statement wasn’t limited by an opinion as to whether it’s a better choice for women, but not men. So it then can be read as a blanket statement that hair school is a better choice than MBA school for everyone, which I found funny. However, I would be interested to read why someone thinks that hair school is a better choice for women than an MBA, but not for men.

              I’m also wondering what you’re relying on when you say “very very few men” would put accomplishments like an MBA on a list of “must haves”. A survey? Anecdotal evidence from talking to some of your friends? A guess? Someone else’s research? If so, whose?

            • Em

              I read that post, and found it hilarious. You’ve sure got it figured out. I’m glad I found one of those “very very few men” (though I think they are becoming more common than you’re arguing here) – sure makes life easier financially, emotionally….pretty much just all around easier, since we share the load when it comes to both money and child-raising.

              What happens if someone brings up cats in a board meeting with this woman? I imagine that, given her instability, this woman (or any other like her, or any man with a similar obsession with cats or something else) wouldn’t make it to the board meeting. That’s why it’s NOT funny, at least not in that context. I’ll give you that it’s funny because we all know unbalanced people (men and women), but not that it’s funny because all Western women are like this.

  12. HRM

    Not sure why someone would automatically assume that someone with an MBA is unemployable and deeply in debt. I went to law school, which is a year longer and more expensive than business school, and 4 years later I’m employed and finished paying my student loans.

    True, going to hair school is cheap and you gain an arguably marketable skill. But can you support yourself on that income? What about a husband and/or children, if that happened to be the situation? Definitely not. Plus, I am of the belief that God made me who I am, which happens to be relatively smart. Going to hair school when I was capable of more would’ve cheapened what He gave me and wasted my potential. I needed to use my brain and be challenged, and I knew I wouldn’t find that in a one-year-maximum hair school.

    Thanks for the dig at my reading comprehension skills. I think they’re just great, thanks. My point was that 2 negative traits were listed–”fat” and “MBA grad”, and no one has since explained to me why “MBA grad” is considered a negative trait like “fat” (which is a negative trait for obvious reasons).

    I never said that being a gainfully employed, law school graduate made me more physically attractive to my husband. But it did add to why he found me, as a whole person, beautiful and chose to marry me. After several conversations with him, he said that my accomplishments made me, as a whole, more attractive than someone who looked physically similar to me but had fewer and/or less prestigious accomplishments (such as a cosmetology license).

    I remain troubled by the notions that women really need only be physically attractive to land a man, that if you’re smart you should pretend otherwise to land a man so he’s not threatened, and that the only careers women to which women can or should aspire are those that are cheap and essentially constitute hobby/distraction jobs which can be dropped at the first sign of matrimony.

    P.S. Stating that my husband is strong, confident, and not threatened by my intelligence isn’t bravado–bravado is employed in the absence of exemplary facts and/or evidence. I have all the facts and evidence I need–a happy 7-year-long marriage to a successful, secure man lying next to me. Maybe we’re both feminists then?

    • belledame2

      Kudos to you. :-)

    • Jeffrey

      HRM,
      with regard to your comment:
      “I remain troubled by the notions that women really need only be physically attractive to land a man, that if you’re smart you should pretend otherwise to land a man so he’s not threatened,”

      Don’t be troubled by dopes. Just consider the source, and avoid such land mines when choosing your friends.

    • Twenty

      Since you appear to be too dim to understand NT’s “bravado” remark, let me explain it to you: The fact that the overwhelming majority of men find loudmouthed feminists such as yourself distasteful does not mean that they are “threatened” by them. Furthermore, men who, for some bizarre reason, prefer such harpies are not more strong, secure, &c. The shrill assertions of feminists to the contrary are what constitute bravado.

      And your grasp on the proper use of “exemplary” is very shaky indeed.

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